Feb 26, 2023·edited Feb 26, 2023Liked by Norman Fenton
By way of quick background: 1) I've been following Professor Fenton's Covid Blog for quite some time, and 2) have watched nearly every tutorial videos on Bayesian networks, and 3) have now more recently followed this Substack series, and 3) of course have been following Prof. Fenton's adventures on YouTube with Dr. Campbell, and on Darkhorse, and 4) have sometimes looked at the occasionally spicy push-backs from others against Dr. Campbell and against Prof. Fenton, who fall just short of accusing them of all sorts of mischief, and 5) it should go without saying that, of course, I have the book you co-authored with him on Risk Assessment with Bayesian networks (...eagerly waiting for the updated 3rd edition!) So when I read the first paragraph that you guys might be eligible for a prize for advancing the discourse on sound science, I thought, "Hooray! Science wins again!" But wait ... what's this? Faucci a past recipient? ... I can't say I know anything about the others, but I've finally quite made up my mind about poor old Fauci who, once might have been - but to my mind no longer is - worthy of so much respect.
But your brief post quite boggles my mind since I would have thought that at least in academia there would have been a sense, from your colleagues, of where the truth lies, and that at least, in the corridors, there would be some nods and assents in silent recognition of the work you guys have done. That very word "academia", for me, has (or had) a kind of saintly halo around it, as if at least its denizens are blessed with a better vision than the rest of us mere benighted mortals down below. But that seems not to be. I can still hear the "pop" of that bubble your post has just punctured!
But honestly, I hope that your team can win this prize without yet betraying what your work has been about. Would it not be a sign that the tide is somehow slowly shifting?
In 2021 I recieved outright hostility when suggesting mandates were beyond the pale and when I informed others my family were unvaxxed I recieved abuse.
In 2023 things have improved! I am merely ostracised.
Maybe we will get statues in 2030? Just in time for them all to be pulled down!
The tide does seem to be somewhat (slowly) changing. I watched an especially interesting and eye-popping interview with Jordan Peterson and Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya, (for anyone looking it's titled 'Covid 19 Mandates: Silencing the Opposition | Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya | EP 334') and was quite horrified to so how hard the "establishment" tried to silence Dr. Bhattacharya, to the point that "I am the science" Fauci called him and others "fringe epidemiologists". What took me aback, once again, is how little support he got from his colleagues, and how much personal stress and anxiety this caused him and his family. This episode is an exceptionally well made with a thoughtful and insightful summary of how and why the Covid mandates went down as they did. I expect it will still several years before we finally see the full consequences of the policies taken, or when it will be more or less safe to do research without having to reach a pre-determined conclusion. The awfulness of it is that it could not have happened without a certain amount of complicit silence from the "intellectual" classes or even with some encouragement from them. What baffles me is the extent to which these policies spread around the world (or in much of Europe) and was largely led by the US at the behest of Fauci and company. It's as if the other European countries could not lead their own independent research and reach their own conclusions, and merely followed "the leader", namely the US. There is much work for serious historians to do here.
Peter Hotez will probably be the 2023 winner for his commitment to fighting anti-vaxxer misinformation about vaccines. A worthy winner. and sets him up nicely as Fauci's replacement?
Bravo! Keep up the good work—and may you never win such a prize! Indeed the best “prize” for doing the right thing (questioning data) is the ability to look at oneself in the mirror each morning with a clear conscience. Priceless.
Found myself explaining why, in the 70s, i declined nomination for “most popular student” in 12th grade. I knew the “crowd” wasn’t my identity; not a follower. The ‘man in the glass’ was simply of greater value. And it turned into a poem. Author Unknown.
Just for fun, write an article so outrageous that only a moroon would believe it. Maybe something like the vaccines have saved 9 billion lives, the public will know your joking but the judges will be happy to see you have come around to your senses then your team can accept the accolades, award and the money. I think its in the bag.
Ah yeah! The treasures that money can buy. Fraudci (The Science) was invited last Spring to address the convocation at Princeton University and bless the elites and their spawns with his precious words of wisdom and courage. A group of us anti science,anti Vaxxer conspiracy theorists showed up to protest and we were approached by the parent of one of the new graduates who said he regretted paying the school even a dime for honoring that clown.
Give them a Nobel and Oscar too, would be about as meaningful. Money can buy power and "prestige" but this too will fade away. There will be hell to pay.
I never looked at who got the John Maddox prize. I would have assumed that it was for 'thinking outside the box'. Indeed, it is for those in the box who fight off those on the outside. Yet Nature published, "Is science really getting less disruptive — and does it matter if it is?" - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00183-1
Reminds me of that award given to any scientist holding two sets of books willing to say anything nice about God, like he exists, Templeton award? Yeah, 1.4 million... lol...
Elizabeth Bik recently got caught trying to repost "ourworldindata" website graphs (not exactly a scientific resource) trying to argue 'vaccines were beneficial'. The website in turn mirrored the CDC datasets which The Daily Beagle discovered had provably fudged population datasets (mismatched numbers, floating points, the full works).
Rather than admit the error, 'science integrity' consultant Elizabeth Bik put their Twitter profile on private and said it was because they tried to promote vaccines, not because the public got outraged they had reposted fraudulent data without question.
Sense About Science is a front group founded by Monsanto gmo Biotech Mafia.. here's the Powerbase profile...
The UK lobby group Sense About Science says it is an independent charitable trust promoting good science and evidence in public debates. We do this by promoting respect for evidence and by urging scientists to engage actively with a wide range of groups, particularly when debates are controversial or difficult.[1]
Sense About Science's Financial Statements (year ended 5 April 2007) submitted to the Charity Commission summarise its mission as "promoting good science and evidence for the public".[2]
Sense About Science states that it was formed in January 2002 to advance an evidence-based approach to scientific issues in the public domain. It was formalised as a Trust in August 2003.[3]
Its domain name was registered in March 2002. Within months it had begun to promote its point of view on GM crops to parliamentarians and the media, and had raised funding. The Sense About Science website states that the organisation works with "a wide network of organisations and volunteers from all areas of science".[4]
Sense about Science was created just in time for the UK's official GM Public Debate.
In October 2002, Tracey Brown, its director, attended a meeting hosted by the UK government's Central Office of Information (COI) about the design of the Public Debate. She was invited as part of a group of eight "social scientists familiar with the GM debate and public engagement processes".[15] In fact, although Brown has a masters degree in the social sciences, her area of specialism was the sociology of law.[16]
Interestingly, Brown is not the only LM contributor whose advice was sought during this period. Bill Durodie describes himself as an 'advisor' to the Prime Minister's Cabinet Office Strategy Unit study 'The Costs and Benefits of Genetically Modified (GM) Crops',[17] which formed a parallel strand to the Public Debate in the government's assessment of the issue of GM crop commercialisation.
British businessman, politician and philanthropist. He was Science Minister in Tony Blair's government from July 1998 until 10 November 2006.[1] It is highly unusual for a minister to stay in the same job so long. He was also a member of the cabinet biotechnology committee, Sci-Bio, responsible for national policy on GM crops and foods, and as such was a key adviser to Blair on GM technology.
I worked with GM plants on a bill and Melinda gates funded R.I.P.E project. Unbeknown to the public , the Wild Tgpe lines chosen as controls were the most pathetic plant lines we could find so these overestimated any differences between the transgenic and WT plants. Even the photos of the plants were taken at an angle that accentuated the differences. The biochemistry analysis used standard curves from other experiments and the key phrase of the work was ," you have to load the dice" .
There is a science paper from this project and the whole thing is manipulated bollocks but if you know the right people then it's amazing what you can get published ;)
That's a good link and the first paragraph tells you all you need to know really.
"Brown lamented that what she called “the ‘who funded it?’ question” is too often asked by “people with axes to grind.”"
Personally I don't only want to know who funded it but I want to see the raw data and the calculations involved! Zero chance of seeing the latter in big business research.
Science is a bloody mess. Humanity is a bloody mess. Because let's face it, science could never have become a bloody mess if some of the people working in it hadn't though it was OK to do shit like this in the name of hanging onto their salaries or securing grant funding. Not just OK, but even a good idea. Moral compass. Absent.
Some brilliant research carried out over the years when you root through them such as:
- the internal pressure of penguins
- how much effort needed to drag a sheep up a slope
- exponential decay of beer froth, this one is flawed as they did not take into account if it was the first or second beer into a glass not cleaned/rinsed between drinks, any real ale drinker knows the 2nd drink tastes better and must be in the same glass as used previously
- a politican’s obesity as an indicator of political corruption
Thank you for posting Sir. Respect for all that you do & have done to expose the evil currently infecting the world.
What an evil hall of infamy those recipients are. Amongst all of their delusional fantasy's they think this award bestows some worthy recognition? Or they think it's a cloak of respectability?
You ought to know! He brought "peace, prosperity", and most importantly, "DEMOCRACY" to "awful" countries like Libya. Look at how the citizens are brimming with "peace, prosperity and democracy" now.
By way of quick background: 1) I've been following Professor Fenton's Covid Blog for quite some time, and 2) have watched nearly every tutorial videos on Bayesian networks, and 3) have now more recently followed this Substack series, and 3) of course have been following Prof. Fenton's adventures on YouTube with Dr. Campbell, and on Darkhorse, and 4) have sometimes looked at the occasionally spicy push-backs from others against Dr. Campbell and against Prof. Fenton, who fall just short of accusing them of all sorts of mischief, and 5) it should go without saying that, of course, I have the book you co-authored with him on Risk Assessment with Bayesian networks (...eagerly waiting for the updated 3rd edition!) So when I read the first paragraph that you guys might be eligible for a prize for advancing the discourse on sound science, I thought, "Hooray! Science wins again!" But wait ... what's this? Faucci a past recipient? ... I can't say I know anything about the others, but I've finally quite made up my mind about poor old Fauci who, once might have been - but to my mind no longer is - worthy of so much respect.
But your brief post quite boggles my mind since I would have thought that at least in academia there would have been a sense, from your colleagues, of where the truth lies, and that at least, in the corridors, there would be some nods and assents in silent recognition of the work you guys have done. That very word "academia", for me, has (or had) a kind of saintly halo around it, as if at least its denizens are blessed with a better vision than the rest of us mere benighted mortals down below. But that seems not to be. I can still hear the "pop" of that bubble your post has just punctured!
But honestly, I hope that your team can win this prize without yet betraying what your work has been about. Would it not be a sign that the tide is somehow slowly shifting?
In 2021 I recieved outright hostility when suggesting mandates were beyond the pale and when I informed others my family were unvaxxed I recieved abuse.
In 2023 things have improved! I am merely ostracised.
Maybe we will get statues in 2030? Just in time for them all to be pulled down!
The tide does seem to be somewhat (slowly) changing. I watched an especially interesting and eye-popping interview with Jordan Peterson and Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya, (for anyone looking it's titled 'Covid 19 Mandates: Silencing the Opposition | Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya | EP 334') and was quite horrified to so how hard the "establishment" tried to silence Dr. Bhattacharya, to the point that "I am the science" Fauci called him and others "fringe epidemiologists". What took me aback, once again, is how little support he got from his colleagues, and how much personal stress and anxiety this caused him and his family. This episode is an exceptionally well made with a thoughtful and insightful summary of how and why the Covid mandates went down as they did. I expect it will still several years before we finally see the full consequences of the policies taken, or when it will be more or less safe to do research without having to reach a pre-determined conclusion. The awfulness of it is that it could not have happened without a certain amount of complicit silence from the "intellectual" classes or even with some encouragement from them. What baffles me is the extent to which these policies spread around the world (or in much of Europe) and was largely led by the US at the behest of Fauci and company. It's as if the other European countries could not lead their own independent research and reach their own conclusions, and merely followed "the leader", namely the US. There is much work for serious historians to do here.
Peter Hotez will probably be the 2023 winner for his commitment to fighting anti-vaxxer misinformation about vaccines. A worthy winner. and sets him up nicely as Fauci's replacement?
Bravo! Keep up the good work—and may you never win such a prize! Indeed the best “prize” for doing the right thing (questioning data) is the ability to look at oneself in the mirror each morning with a clear conscience. Priceless.
Found myself explaining why, in the 70s, i declined nomination for “most popular student” in 12th grade. I knew the “crowd” wasn’t my identity; not a follower. The ‘man in the glass’ was simply of greater value. And it turned into a poem. Author Unknown.
I think Big Bird from Sesame Street should be nominated.
Fits the profile of the past winners nicely.
The name of the prize must be a code
Let's see
M = B
A = O
D = L
Need i go on? Haha
I wonder if any of the prizes have been cancelled and runners up installed instead!
Just for fun, write an article so outrageous that only a moroon would believe it. Maybe something like the vaccines have saved 9 billion lives, the public will know your joking but the judges will be happy to see you have come around to your senses then your team can accept the accolades, award and the money. I think its in the bag.
You've just described academia in 2023
Ah yeah! The treasures that money can buy. Fraudci (The Science) was invited last Spring to address the convocation at Princeton University and bless the elites and their spawns with his precious words of wisdom and courage. A group of us anti science,anti Vaxxer conspiracy theorists showed up to protest and we were approached by the parent of one of the new graduates who said he regretted paying the school even a dime for honoring that clown.
Maybe one of these experts could take a closer look at the laughable Western blots produced by Pfizer.
Pfizer hek cell protein blot: https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/status/1610888257432334336/photo/1
Actual hek cell protein blot:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Protein-extraction-SDS-PAGE-and-western-blot-analysis-of-HEK293-cells-2-10-6_fig1_321786551
The only Western blots that look like the Pfizer image are the ones you draw yourself in Microsoft paint🤣
Give them a Nobel and Oscar too, would be about as meaningful. Money can buy power and "prestige" but this too will fade away. There will be hell to pay.
I never looked at who got the John Maddox prize. I would have assumed that it was for 'thinking outside the box'. Indeed, it is for those in the box who fight off those on the outside. Yet Nature published, "Is science really getting less disruptive — and does it matter if it is?" - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00183-1
Reminds me of that award given to any scientist holding two sets of books willing to say anything nice about God, like he exists, Templeton award? Yeah, 1.4 million... lol...
Elizabeth Bik recently got caught trying to repost "ourworldindata" website graphs (not exactly a scientific resource) trying to argue 'vaccines were beneficial'. The website in turn mirrored the CDC datasets which The Daily Beagle discovered had provably fudged population datasets (mismatched numbers, floating points, the full works).
Rather than admit the error, 'science integrity' consultant Elizabeth Bik put their Twitter profile on private and said it was because they tried to promote vaccines, not because the public got outraged they had reposted fraudulent data without question.
Original FudgeGate:
https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/fudgegate-cdc-caught-fudging-vaccine
FudgeGate follow-up, which casts a wider net and finds all sorts of weird fudges:
https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/fudgegate-return-of-the-fudge
I doubt the John Maddox prize gives anything for exposing establishment fraud.
Sense About Science is a front group founded by Monsanto gmo Biotech Mafia.. here's the Powerbase profile...
The UK lobby group Sense About Science says it is an independent charitable trust promoting good science and evidence in public debates. We do this by promoting respect for evidence and by urging scientists to engage actively with a wide range of groups, particularly when debates are controversial or difficult.[1]
Sense About Science's Financial Statements (year ended 5 April 2007) submitted to the Charity Commission summarise its mission as "promoting good science and evidence for the public".[2]
Sense About Science states that it was formed in January 2002 to advance an evidence-based approach to scientific issues in the public domain. It was formalised as a Trust in August 2003.[3]
Its domain name was registered in March 2002. Within months it had begun to promote its point of view on GM crops to parliamentarians and the media, and had raised funding. The Sense About Science website states that the organisation works with "a wide network of organisations and volunteers from all areas of science".[4]
Sense about Science was created just in time for the UK's official GM Public Debate.
In October 2002, Tracey Brown, its director, attended a meeting hosted by the UK government's Central Office of Information (COI) about the design of the Public Debate. She was invited as part of a group of eight "social scientists familiar with the GM debate and public engagement processes".[15] In fact, although Brown has a masters degree in the social sciences, her area of specialism was the sociology of law.[16]
Interestingly, Brown is not the only LM contributor whose advice was sought during this period. Bill Durodie describes himself as an 'advisor' to the Prime Minister's Cabinet Office Strategy Unit study 'The Costs and Benefits of Genetically Modified (GM) Crops',[17] which formed a parallel strand to the Public Debate in the government's assessment of the issue of GM crop commercialisation.
http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Sense_About_Science
See Lord David Sainsbury too!!
British businessman, politician and philanthropist. He was Science Minister in Tony Blair's government from July 1998 until 10 November 2006.[1] It is highly unusual for a minister to stay in the same job so long. He was also a member of the cabinet biotechnology committee, Sci-Bio, responsible for national policy on GM crops and foods, and as such was a key adviser to Blair on GM technology.
He was a key donor to Blair's Labour Party, giving Labour its biggest ever single donation in September 1997. On October 3 1997 he was made a life peer by Blair and a year later Minister for Science. https://web.archive.org/web/20210126055039/http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=David_Sainsbury
I worked with GM plants on a bill and Melinda gates funded R.I.P.E project. Unbeknown to the public , the Wild Tgpe lines chosen as controls were the most pathetic plant lines we could find so these overestimated any differences between the transgenic and WT plants. Even the photos of the plants were taken at an angle that accentuated the differences. The biochemistry analysis used standard curves from other experiments and the key phrase of the work was ," you have to load the dice" .
There is a science paper from this project and the whole thing is manipulated bollocks but if you know the right people then it's amazing what you can get published ;)
Good summary! Not much to add other than to advise steering well clear of this mob! They're just an industry front.
Here's an article in the Intercept from 2016 ... https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/how-self-appointed-guardians-of-sound-science-tip-the-scales-toward-industry/
That's a good link and the first paragraph tells you all you need to know really.
"Brown lamented that what she called “the ‘who funded it?’ question” is too often asked by “people with axes to grind.”"
Personally I don't only want to know who funded it but I want to see the raw data and the calculations involved! Zero chance of seeing the latter in big business research.
Science is a bloody mess
Science is a bloody mess. Humanity is a bloody mess. Because let's face it, science could never have become a bloody mess if some of the people working in it hadn't though it was OK to do shit like this in the name of hanging onto their salaries or securing grant funding. Not just OK, but even a good idea. Moral compass. Absent.
I'd rather grow vegetables.
I've always had an admiration for people with morals that are able to continue to work in academia.
This site is my favourite for scientific research papers:
https://improbable.com/ig/winners/
Some brilliant research carried out over the years when you root through them such as:
- the internal pressure of penguins
- how much effort needed to drag a sheep up a slope
- exponential decay of beer froth, this one is flawed as they did not take into account if it was the first or second beer into a glass not cleaned/rinsed between drinks, any real ale drinker knows the 2nd drink tastes better and must be in the same glass as used previously
- a politican’s obesity as an indicator of political corruption
And lots more over the years.
https://awkwardgit.substack.com/p/my-favourite-scientific-study-database
Thank you for posting Sir. Respect for all that you do & have done to expose the evil currently infecting the world.
What an evil hall of infamy those recipients are. Amongst all of their delusional fantasy's they think this award bestows some worthy recognition? Or they think it's a cloak of respectability?
Obama won the Nobel peace prize. He didnt even know why.
You ought to know! He brought "peace, prosperity", and most importantly, "DEMOCRACY" to "awful" countries like Libya. Look at how the citizens are brimming with "peace, prosperity and democracy" now.
He did. That was amazing work too. And Syria. And those drones were really a thing of peace. Lol
Oh my, I forgot about the drones. How could I. Singlehandedly the most peaceful thing ever. Surely laid a lot of innocent people to "permanent peace".