I would if I could. Suspened for mentioning ivermectin a couple of years ago. And coming to the attention of Marianna Spring of BBC DISINFORMATION fame! No doubt she is intelligence if not intelligent.
The Chinese treatment advice did not recommend mechanical ventilation except as a last resort for cases that were not responding to treatment, not as the first step as was applied in western hospitals. The Chinese recommended nasal supplied oxygen flow along with other treatments to fight the infection, rest and recovery. When western countries started talking about "ventilators" as a treatment almost immediately, knowing the serious detrimental health affects that would have (ie, destruction of lung tissue and capacity), it was clear to me that there was an active strategy to increase patient mortality.
This below from the Chinese paper to the WHO, seventh revision March 2020. Pg 9.
3.2 Respiratory support:
3.2.1 Oxygen therapy: Patients with severe symptoms should receive nasal cannulas or masks for oxygen inhalation and timely assessment of respiratory distress and/or hypoxemia should be performed.
3.2.2 High-flow nasal-catheter oxygenation or noninvasive mechanical ventilation: When respiratory distress and/or hypoxemia of the patient cannot be alleviated after receiving standard oxygen therapy, high-flow nasal cannula oxygen therapy or non-invasive ventilation can be considered. If conditions do not improve or even get worse within a short time (1-2 hours), tracheal intubation and invasive mechanical ventilation should be used in a timely manner.
3.2.3 Invasive mechanical ventilation: Lung protective ventilation strategy, namely low tidal volume (6-8ml/kg of ideal body weight) and low level of airway platform pressure (<30cmH2O) should be used to perform mechanical ventilation to reduce ventilator-related lung injury. While the airway platform pressure maintained ≤30cmH2O, high PEEP can be used to keep the airway warm and moist; avoid long sedation and wake the patient early for lung rehabilitation. There are many cases of human-machine asynchronization, therefore sedation and muscle relaxants should be used in a timely manner. Use closed sputum suction according to the airway secretion, if necessary, administer appropriate
In Germany the association of doctors specializing in lung diseases very early on spoke against early artificial ventilation. A well known risk: Bacterial infection of the lungs which should be monitored very closely and treated early with antibiotics. Also, well known: a viral infection of the lungs may cause a superimposed bacterial infection. Yet, in the USA, the use of antibiotics was strongly discouraged. Too, there are a host of well known negative side effects of the meds needed to make the patients unconscious. Alas, only 1 clinic in Germany followed this advice from the start.
No better way to assure old folks will need to be on vents than to deny them help when they arrive on the steps of the ER and just advise them to go home and monitor their blood oxygen and come back when they absolutely positively cannot get a breath, feel dizzy and like life is being sucked from them.
No antibiotics or horse paste for you! We are too busy dancing in the halls and screaming at you to get vaccinated or we won't treat you.
Thanks for this post. There was something fishy about the info. in the article. The only way I could see Musk sending intubating vents would be BEFORE he had the exchange with the Chinese. Your posts show he acted with the best knowledge possible.
Thank you for running down when Musk delivered the vents/bpap as best as you can rightly discern. Maybe it is naivete (I pray I still harbor some trust in my fellow man), but until noted, I will chooses to believe he was on Team Honestly Helpful Folk. It IS interesting to me that our own government health officials most certainly knew what was happening with vents in China yet, went on TV and Radio begging for them. I know what team they are on. All sane people do.
But I read your linked article on woodhouse. Very interesting and informative. CARES act I wonder whose bright idea that was. Incentivizing what you KNOW will hurt patients and Hospitals shoving the vents on poor helpless patients? You know above where I said I harbor trust in man... these people who did this. Justice. It could go a long way in restoring patient-doctor relationships. Govt/citizen relationship is broken into about as many pieces as a shattered vent lung.
As a veterinary surgeon I know it is notoriously difficult to get the pressures of ventilation right. But my patients are small. Furthermore ventilating damaged lungs is even more of a minefield.
So when they started advocating their use for Covid patients, I thought that my human colleagues must be much better equipped than we are in the veterinary profession, not to get these complications
Once you scratch the surface you see private contractors from the US, Germany, The Netherlands, Israel, Japan and other IT and intelligence firms, who have set up shop across China at the local level and are seizing control of government by privatizing all functions of government.
It's been one of the many fascinating disconnects to watch as the right-wing reactionaries use all sorts of tropes and worn-out slogans in attempt to blame the Covid Operation on Marxists or socialism or the CCP somehow overlooking that every single individual involved with the execution of the Covid Operation is a card-carrying member of the neoliberal capitalist class.
Does it ever occur to these people that it is a rather odd phenomenon that such a thing as the Chinese CDC even exists? What's the CDC doing in China- championing some form of Marxist medicine?
When George Gao is seated next to Bill Gates to people think they are having an intellectual back and forth on dialectical materialism?
Another, of the many, glaring problems with the blaming of the CCP or Putin or... is that the Covid Operation isn't new. These operations have been attempted at some level and with varying degrees of success almost continuously for twenty plus years. And in every case it is Western organizations and apparathciks that are doing the dirty work.
I'd assumed that CCDC just happened to choose the same name as the Atlanta version, just with a C in front. Are you suggesting it is some sort of branch? - that isn't suggested from their website at all.
Hey Jonathan I've got a cool cross reference for you.
My wife teaches at a local university- usually not related to the kind of stuff we are talking about.
While talking about yesterday's article over dinner last night she recounted a paper that she received from a student the day before. The topic tangentially addressed social factors and health in the US. The student chose to write about the rise of obesity from a social and economic perspective. In that paper my wife looked through the references and noted a Jonathan Engler as author for two of those references. I think she said the papers written were from around 2015-2018?
Anyway while I agree that the evidence suggests that CCDC and CDC do work hand in hand I’m less convinced it’s more than that. I mean we could say that all such agencies globally are actually working to a script, or at the least, with shared ideologies.
How about contacting Dr Richard Chang, USA Chinese Orthomolecular Medicine doctor working in Wuhan in early 2020 treating hospital covid patients? See their website for details. Every YouTube video he posted daily from China was deleted within 30mins. I know cos I was following him and at the time thought it was just the usual nonsense against high dose vit C treatments, but it was about something much more. He'd tell you the reality on the ground? 🙏
What I saw in my 20+ years at an "elite" Ivy League university where I had relations on a daily basis with Chinese nationals (students and professors in the sciences) is that the "intellectual exchange" is wholly directed through US interests mainly NIH-State Department and other agencies.
It didn't really matter their nationality all of them were working for Western paymasters in Pharma/Biotech and they were and are true believers (in their paychecks) and had little to no interest in their homeland or native culture outside of cursory observations.
Well darn, your doppelnamer ruins our quaint anecdote.
About Musk. I think we should establish a timeline. When did he talk to the Chinese and then what did he send out incl dates. Not ready to throw him under the bus. For that. Yet.
We are not throwing anyone under any buses. There is a potential contradiction we have highlighted. If someone wants to write an article with a decent timeline that clarifies what Musk did/did not do, and its germane, then we will happily adjust the text. See Alan Richards's post above, which looks very helpful.
I thought you might clarify if truth comes to light. I hadn't seen his comment. Thank you for pointing me that way. To be clear, you may not have thrown him under the bus (I was referring to my own feelings on Musk), but you did hip check him toward the street when the bus was coming your way. It would be good to sort out who did what when. Why would he out himself? "I heard vents would kill people so I said "Bring on the vents"". Meh.
It all makes sense if you just accept that the Covid so-called pandemic was a callously-premeditated, globally-coordinated “plandemic” aimed at inflicting iatrogenic harm to attempt to shackle the global general public.
Dr Bryan Ardis gave shocking testimony on US iatrogenic malfeasance to the Fuellmich Covid-19 Crimes Against Humanity trial. There is no transcript, just video from 2:14:15 here: https://odysee.com/@GrandJury:f/Grand-Jury-Day-3-en-online:7.
Here is a tweet with a 2-minute video in which Dr Ardis gives similar testimony on how US hospitals were incentivised with huge bonus payments to create exaggerated numbers of Covid diagnoses using the mal-engineered PCR test and to treat the patients with deadly remdesivir and ventilation, with a bonus for every “Covid” death that occurred in the hospital: https://twitter.com/Inversionism/status/1703171648004784447?t=NqfVKq0xOIiEghg37ndnLg&s=19.
This is part of a letter to a friend, written by Dr Mike Yeadon. It is not part of normal protocol for a respiratory condition to intubate.
"Then we have the imposition of radically altered medical protocols.
Because of my long exposure to matters respiratory, I knew immediately they began panicking about needed 30,000 mechanical ventilators that something truly demonic was at hand. It’s never appropriate, in a patient with an unobstructed airway & an intact chest wall to sedate, intubate and ventilate them.
Mechanical ventilation is certainly a marvellous, life-saving thing, but it comes with serious risks to the frail patient, in the form of ventilator acquired pneumonia, lung injury from use of pressure to inflate the lungs, and more.
The appropriate treatment would be an oxygen mask, single, low dose benzo, a cup of tea and a biscuit, and a caring hand upon an arm.
None other than the NIH determined that 58% of “covid” deaths in 2020 were actually untreated pneumonia. Please trust the experts. Experts in facilitating medical malpractice being the number 3 killer in the US that is. Based on recent performance of the expert class, I am confident we can get that to number one.
Covid - The biggest 'confidence trick' in human history! Far worse than a 'DISASTER' because it was deliberately planned for decades, launched for financial gain and a sinister DEPOPULATION program!
Covid Vax doesn't work. The DEADLY injections, they pretend are vaccines, are far more dangerous than Covid. IVERMECTIN WORKED but had to be hidden by Big Pharma so that their FRIENDS at the FDA could give them an EUA = 'LICENCE to KILL' with impunity, whilst making fortunes and depopulating the planet.
Many of us already know that FLU was 'cancelled' in 2020 to falsify the Covid numbers. Also every death from any cause was categorised a COVID DEATH if it occurred in hospital. If the patient (falsely) tested POSITIVE during their occupation, and subsequently died = IT WAS DEEMED a COVID DEATH!
There never was a Scamdemic, but the man enhanced virus coronavirus was planned, created and released to justify a 'profit making cure'. The 'CURE' was just a highly profitable fiction because it never worked but denigrated recipients' natural immunities, so that they had less resistance to ALL pre-existing and future illnesses they might have encountered.
Covid - a cunning but highly profitable plan to undermine the financial stability of ALL NATIONS whilst depopulating the planet. The objective is/was to reduce Global Warming whilst making a fortune.
Vast PROFITS with absolutely no liability or risk because Governments assumed the responsibility to compensate the thousands that suffered and died following the injection *called a VACCINE). Governments were assured the useless but POISONOUS injections were "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE". What a Fantastic Business Plan!
also: it is very difficult to get the right pressure with artificial ventilation. basically this should be checked very often. otherwise lung tissue gets damaged. a friend of mine, a nurse in the intensive care unit, told me, that this - even in normal times - tends to neglected.
Basically, Elon, like all suppliers believed the more ventilators, the more would survive.... THE DOCTORS WERE JUST STUPID ABOUT PATIENT CARE EVEN AFTER PATIENTS STARTED DYING BECAUSE OF THE VENTILATORS.
If a doctor doesn’t know what ventilators do, then should they be using them? IATROGENICS as in money for each dead patient was the cause. The ventilation deaths would not have lasted so long if they weren’t killing people.
Long form tweet:
https://twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1720063213264331037
Please retweet.
I would if I could. Suspened for mentioning ivermectin a couple of years ago. And coming to the attention of Marianna Spring of BBC DISINFORMATION fame! No doubt she is intelligence if not intelligent.
Reposted and following!
The Chinese treatment advice did not recommend mechanical ventilation except as a last resort for cases that were not responding to treatment, not as the first step as was applied in western hospitals. The Chinese recommended nasal supplied oxygen flow along with other treatments to fight the infection, rest and recovery. When western countries started talking about "ventilators" as a treatment almost immediately, knowing the serious detrimental health affects that would have (ie, destruction of lung tissue and capacity), it was clear to me that there was an active strategy to increase patient mortality.
This below from the Chinese paper to the WHO, seventh revision March 2020. Pg 9.
3.2 Respiratory support:
3.2.1 Oxygen therapy: Patients with severe symptoms should receive nasal cannulas or masks for oxygen inhalation and timely assessment of respiratory distress and/or hypoxemia should be performed.
3.2.2 High-flow nasal-catheter oxygenation or noninvasive mechanical ventilation: When respiratory distress and/or hypoxemia of the patient cannot be alleviated after receiving standard oxygen therapy, high-flow nasal cannula oxygen therapy or non-invasive ventilation can be considered. If conditions do not improve or even get worse within a short time (1-2 hours), tracheal intubation and invasive mechanical ventilation should be used in a timely manner.
3.2.3 Invasive mechanical ventilation: Lung protective ventilation strategy, namely low tidal volume (6-8ml/kg of ideal body weight) and low level of airway platform pressure (<30cmH2O) should be used to perform mechanical ventilation to reduce ventilator-related lung injury. While the airway platform pressure maintained ≤30cmH2O, high PEEP can be used to keep the airway warm and moist; avoid long sedation and wake the patient early for lung rehabilitation. There are many cases of human-machine asynchronization, therefore sedation and muscle relaxants should be used in a timely manner. Use closed sputum suction according to the airway secretion, if necessary, administer appropriate
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treatment based on bronchoscopy findings.
Interesting. Can you supply a link to the paper you refer to please?
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/wpro---documents/countries/china/covid-19-briefing-nhc/1-clinical-protocols-for-the-diagnosis-and-treatment-of-covid-19-v7.pdf?sfvrsn=c6cbfba4_2
Can you say what sedation and muscle relaxants are used please and known side-effects? Thanks 🙏
Me, no.
In Germany the association of doctors specializing in lung diseases very early on spoke against early artificial ventilation. A well known risk: Bacterial infection of the lungs which should be monitored very closely and treated early with antibiotics. Also, well known: a viral infection of the lungs may cause a superimposed bacterial infection. Yet, in the USA, the use of antibiotics was strongly discouraged. Too, there are a host of well known negative side effects of the meds needed to make the patients unconscious. Alas, only 1 clinic in Germany followed this advice from the start.
No better way to assure old folks will need to be on vents than to deny them help when they arrive on the steps of the ER and just advise them to go home and monitor their blood oxygen and come back when they absolutely positively cannot get a breath, feel dizzy and like life is being sucked from them.
No antibiotics or horse paste for you! We are too busy dancing in the halls and screaming at you to get vaccinated or we won't treat you.
Still mad.
I think you’re doing Elon Musk a disservice, because he sent biPAP and CPAP machines not ventilators. He was roundly criticised at the time.
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/493386-california-hospitals-say-elon-musk-sent-them-bipap-cpap-machines-not/
Particularly by the FT, which at the time was more or less running a hate campaign against him and Tesla.
Elon Musk promised ventilators. These are BPAP machines.https://on.ft.com/47hyV1c
That's very interesting and I wasn't aware of this. It certainly puts a different spin on it.
Thanks for this post. There was something fishy about the info. in the article. The only way I could see Musk sending intubating vents would be BEFORE he had the exchange with the Chinese. Your posts show he acted with the best knowledge possible.
Thank you for running down when Musk delivered the vents/bpap as best as you can rightly discern. Maybe it is naivete (I pray I still harbor some trust in my fellow man), but until noted, I will chooses to believe he was on Team Honestly Helpful Folk. It IS interesting to me that our own government health officials most certainly knew what was happening with vents in China yet, went on TV and Radio begging for them. I know what team they are on. All sane people do.
But I read your linked article on woodhouse. Very interesting and informative. CARES act I wonder whose bright idea that was. Incentivizing what you KNOW will hurt patients and Hospitals shoving the vents on poor helpless patients? You know above where I said I harbor trust in man... these people who did this. Justice. It could go a long way in restoring patient-doctor relationships. Govt/citizen relationship is broken into about as many pieces as a shattered vent lung.
Yes Resumed manufactures bpaps.
As a veterinary surgeon I know it is notoriously difficult to get the pressures of ventilation right. But my patients are small. Furthermore ventilating damaged lungs is even more of a minefield.
So when they started advocating their use for Covid patients, I thought that my human colleagues must be much better equipped than we are in the veterinary profession, not to get these complications
Turns out they had exactly the same issues...
This tweet is also well worth a read ...
https://x.com/hstupak1/status/1719772359404445730?s=46
Once you scratch the surface you see private contractors from the US, Germany, The Netherlands, Israel, Japan and other IT and intelligence firms, who have set up shop across China at the local level and are seizing control of government by privatizing all functions of government.
It's been one of the many fascinating disconnects to watch as the right-wing reactionaries use all sorts of tropes and worn-out slogans in attempt to blame the Covid Operation on Marxists or socialism or the CCP somehow overlooking that every single individual involved with the execution of the Covid Operation is a card-carrying member of the neoliberal capitalist class.
Does it ever occur to these people that it is a rather odd phenomenon that such a thing as the Chinese CDC even exists? What's the CDC doing in China- championing some form of Marxist medicine?
When George Gao is seated next to Bill Gates to people think they are having an intellectual back and forth on dialectical materialism?
Another, of the many, glaring problems with the blaming of the CCP or Putin or... is that the Covid Operation isn't new. These operations have been attempted at some level and with varying degrees of success almost continuously for twenty plus years. And in every case it is Western organizations and apparathciks that are doing the dirty work.
I'd assumed that CCDC just happened to choose the same name as the Atlanta version, just with a C in front. Are you suggesting it is some sort of branch? - that isn't suggested from their website at all.
https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/countries/china/default.htm
Hey Jonathan I've got a cool cross reference for you.
My wife teaches at a local university- usually not related to the kind of stuff we are talking about.
While talking about yesterday's article over dinner last night she recounted a paper that she received from a student the day before. The topic tangentially addressed social factors and health in the US. The student chose to write about the rise of obesity from a social and economic perspective. In that paper my wife looked through the references and noted a Jonathan Engler as author for two of those references. I think she said the papers written were from around 2015-2018?
That’s another Jonathan Engler!
Anyway while I agree that the evidence suggests that CCDC and CDC do work hand in hand I’m less convinced it’s more than that. I mean we could say that all such agencies globally are actually working to a script, or at the least, with shared ideologies.
How about contacting Dr Richard Chang, USA Chinese Orthomolecular Medicine doctor working in Wuhan in early 2020 treating hospital covid patients? See their website for details. Every YouTube video he posted daily from China was deleted within 30mins. I know cos I was following him and at the time thought it was just the usual nonsense against high dose vit C treatments, but it was about something much more. He'd tell you the reality on the ground? 🙏
What I saw in my 20+ years at an "elite" Ivy League university where I had relations on a daily basis with Chinese nationals (students and professors in the sciences) is that the "intellectual exchange" is wholly directed through US interests mainly NIH-State Department and other agencies.
It didn't really matter their nationality all of them were working for Western paymasters in Pharma/Biotech and they were and are true believers (in their paychecks) and had little to no interest in their homeland or native culture outside of cursory observations.
Well darn, your doppelnamer ruins our quaint anecdote.
About Musk. I think we should establish a timeline. When did he talk to the Chinese and then what did he send out incl dates. Not ready to throw him under the bus. For that. Yet.
We are not throwing anyone under any buses. There is a potential contradiction we have highlighted. If someone wants to write an article with a decent timeline that clarifies what Musk did/did not do, and its germane, then we will happily adjust the text. See Alan Richards's post above, which looks very helpful.
I thought you might clarify if truth comes to light. I hadn't seen his comment. Thank you for pointing me that way. To be clear, you may not have thrown him under the bus (I was referring to my own feelings on Musk), but you did hip check him toward the street when the bus was coming your way. It would be good to sort out who did what when. Why would he out himself? "I heard vents would kill people so I said "Bring on the vents"". Meh.
Love you guys. and appreciate your hard work.
See Alan Richard's post above. Musk did the right thing.
Musk is unlikely to be any thing other than a globalist working for the military. To be kind to him.
I'm not sure of your point.
You might want to read our whodunnit article.
I would not expect readers of the substack to be conversant with the details of ICU practice. But they are experts in forming critical opinions.
It all makes sense if you just accept that the Covid so-called pandemic was a callously-premeditated, globally-coordinated “plandemic” aimed at inflicting iatrogenic harm to attempt to shackle the global general public.
Dr Bryan Ardis gave shocking testimony on US iatrogenic malfeasance to the Fuellmich Covid-19 Crimes Against Humanity trial. There is no transcript, just video from 2:14:15 here: https://odysee.com/@GrandJury:f/Grand-Jury-Day-3-en-online:7.
Here is a tweet with a 2-minute video in which Dr Ardis gives similar testimony on how US hospitals were incentivised with huge bonus payments to create exaggerated numbers of Covid diagnoses using the mal-engineered PCR test and to treat the patients with deadly remdesivir and ventilation, with a bonus for every “Covid” death that occurred in the hospital: https://twitter.com/Inversionism/status/1703171648004784447?t=NqfVKq0xOIiEghg37ndnLg&s=19.
This is part of a letter to a friend, written by Dr Mike Yeadon. It is not part of normal protocol for a respiratory condition to intubate.
"Then we have the imposition of radically altered medical protocols.
Because of my long exposure to matters respiratory, I knew immediately they began panicking about needed 30,000 mechanical ventilators that something truly demonic was at hand. It’s never appropriate, in a patient with an unobstructed airway & an intact chest wall to sedate, intubate and ventilate them.
Mechanical ventilation is certainly a marvellous, life-saving thing, but it comes with serious risks to the frail patient, in the form of ventilator acquired pneumonia, lung injury from use of pressure to inflate the lungs, and more.
The appropriate treatment would be an oxygen mask, single, low dose benzo, a cup of tea and a biscuit, and a caring hand upon an arm.
If you want to see the whole letter - it can be seen on https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-michael-yeadon-a-message-to-a?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web
None other than the NIH determined that 58% of “covid” deaths in 2020 were actually untreated pneumonia. Please trust the experts. Experts in facilitating medical malpractice being the number 3 killer in the US that is. Based on recent performance of the expert class, I am confident we can get that to number one.
Covid - The biggest 'confidence trick' in human history! Far worse than a 'DISASTER' because it was deliberately planned for decades, launched for financial gain and a sinister DEPOPULATION program!
Covid Vax doesn't work. The DEADLY injections, they pretend are vaccines, are far more dangerous than Covid. IVERMECTIN WORKED but had to be hidden by Big Pharma so that their FRIENDS at the FDA could give them an EUA = 'LICENCE to KILL' with impunity, whilst making fortunes and depopulating the planet.
Many of us already know that FLU was 'cancelled' in 2020 to falsify the Covid numbers. Also every death from any cause was categorised a COVID DEATH if it occurred in hospital. If the patient (falsely) tested POSITIVE during their occupation, and subsequently died = IT WAS DEEMED a COVID DEATH!
There never was a Scamdemic, but the man enhanced virus coronavirus was planned, created and released to justify a 'profit making cure'. The 'CURE' was just a highly profitable fiction because it never worked but denigrated recipients' natural immunities, so that they had less resistance to ALL pre-existing and future illnesses they might have encountered.
Covid - a cunning but highly profitable plan to undermine the financial stability of ALL NATIONS whilst depopulating the planet. The objective is/was to reduce Global Warming whilst making a fortune.
Vast PROFITS with absolutely no liability or risk because Governments assumed the responsibility to compensate the thousands that suffered and died following the injection *called a VACCINE). Governments were assured the useless but POISONOUS injections were "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE". What a Fantastic Business Plan!
Mick from Hooe (UK) Unjabbed to live longer!
also: it is very difficult to get the right pressure with artificial ventilation. basically this should be checked very often. otherwise lung tissue gets damaged. a friend of mine, a nurse in the intensive care unit, told me, that this - even in normal times - tends to neglected.
Basically, Elon, like all suppliers believed the more ventilators, the more would survive.... THE DOCTORS WERE JUST STUPID ABOUT PATIENT CARE EVEN AFTER PATIENTS STARTED DYING BECAUSE OF THE VENTILATORS.
If a doctor doesn’t know what ventilators do, then should they be using them? IATROGENICS as in money for each dead patient was the cause. The ventilation deaths would not have lasted so long if they weren’t killing people.