The corollary to your article is antibiotics are over prescribed in viral infection. The caveat of macrolides non antibiotic properties are noted.
In a review appx 4 years ago, the majority of confirmed community acquired pneumonias were a rhino enterovirus.
Procalcitonin is a marker used to help sort bacterial from viral infection.
A firm diagnosis should lead to a specific treatment.
The elephant in the room is we don’t have specific anti-viral medications for most respiratory virus pathogens we can identify. Flu and Covid are exceptions.
Pouring broad spectrum antibiotics into a vitally infected hospitalized patient leads to iatrogenic nosocomial infections. Puncturing your skin w IV lines, catheters, non bathing, inadequate oral care etc all contribute
Is SARS-CoV-2 a virus? If yes, where does it replicate?
Only in the laboratory eukaryotic cell or also in bacterial cells?
Are the bacteria in the microbiome more numerous than our cells? YES!
And does it seem normal to you that a virus passes through the microbiome layer without bacteria interacting with the virus or producing different substances than usual?
And these bacteria controls we performed and demonstrated
🔷 SARS-CoV-2 replicates first in bacteria
🔷 That orofecal transmission is most important precisely because of the bacterial involvement
🔷 That the bacteria produces toxins
🔷 That antibiotics or a combination of antibiotics can stop both replication, transmission, and toxin production and the clinical picture of patients especially in the early stages of the disease.
The everyday reality is that very few are ever tested for the origin of their initial presentation of respiratory symptoms. Diagnosis is typically by symptoms and the standard treatment is to ease symptoms with corticosteroids and supplement with an antibiotic to palliate steroidal immunosuppression.
Practitioners very rarely "overprescribe antibiotics for viral infection," they restore breathing with a substance that creates vulnerability to opportunistic bacterial infection. The antibiotic is a secondary, prophylactic treatment.
The primary reason is cost. The expense of testing and multiple provider visits is not justified in the majority of cases, nor is it affordable for the average citizen in fee-for-service locations.
The interference with standard treatment modalities caused immeasurable harm and contributed to many deaths. Denial of care for respiratory distress upon initial presentation was mandated. "Go home untreated and return to die with us" was the rule.
"Dr David Wiseman recently sent us an email asking about antibiotics"
"we didn’t have a list of articles to hand covering the relevant topics [...]"
"[...] Time series statistics on changing prescription patterns in different countries"
"[...] National policy changes affecting antibiotic prescriptions and administration."
The Daily Beagle covered the topic of antibiotic prescriptions, even having a vigourous discussion with Martin Neil and Jessica Rose in the comments section! This included Australian national policy changes to antibiotics, UK, US and German prescribing data.
"[...] Success stories where antibiotics were given to covid-19 patients, resulting in positive outcomes."
This was covered indirectly in the antibiotics article because it is presumed any COVID-19 patient with secondary bacterial pneumonia would benefit from antibiotics prescriptions.
Of course, this would not apply in cases where no such secondary bacterial pneumonia applies.
Oct 9, 2023·edited Oct 9, 2023Liked by Jonathan Engler
I went to an emergency clinic on Oahu Hawaii in August 2022; my throat was extremely sore and burning; it was awful. I met with a "doctor" and I asked if I could get antibiotics; the response was "we don't do that." I asked "why not" and stated that I had received antibiotics for a strep throat infection a few years back with no problem. I got the same dead doll eyes and the same comment, "we don't do that." In my opinion, there had to have been some type of order not to give out antibiotics. Since that time, a 4-member family I know who all had strep throat as recently as early 2023 were all prescribed antibiotics by a military clinic on Oahu without issues.
Lots of papers now show vitamin D levels > 40ng/mL help prevent severe Covid and near infrared light is helpful for treatment. Neither mentioned here. Too cheap?
"Everybody who dies of COVID actually dies of sepsis and pneumonia. Everybody.” I would change one word in this statement, I would substitute COVID for a chest infection. All the doctors had to do was treat the patient as normal and if they developed a bacterial chest infection then give the antibiotics and good supportive care. The usual care was contorted and twisted by manufactured fear and deliberate induced hysteria to suit whatever power play and politics was on the agenda and people died!
this article is tough to read Seeing in black and white very suggestive evidence, if not proof, of public health agencies, wanting to harm and kill us. It's tough to digest. It would only be natural to be agitated and have heightened anxiety to being put on a ventilator unnecessarily, and that was exactly the opposite of what you would've needed to recover .
Mssrs Engler, Fenton & Neil - The "experts" knew the consequences of their actions in advance and appeals to novel ignorance do not apply. It is no secret that prescriptions for antibiotics fell dramatically during C19, which correlated with rising excess mortality. This was premeditated iatrocide and a culling, there is no mystery here Mr. Mulder.
Blind massive overprescription of antibiotics is a major medical problem. It is wrong to prescribe them in absence of a good reason to suspect a bacterial infection, and a primary viral infection is not one of those indications.
The issue about midazolam is a red herring. If someone is dying of a viral respiratory disease with alveolar leakage, antibiotics will not save them. The real problem with midazolam in UK practice is that it was used to treat patients who could maybe have been saved with ICU treatment, but there were no facilities. In our local teaching hospital, a DNR order was written for all patients over the age of 70 with covid
Most people reading this post are doing so because they already are sceptical/totally disbelieving of mainstream science, public health and politicians, and rightly so. This is why is read it, but thee is no point in completely loosing all critical faculty on the ‘other side’. This article is full of dubious claims and downright errors, mixed in with some fair enough statements.
There are too many to list completely, but a few are:
“...academic paper by Zhong et al that claimed there was no evidence of changes in antibiotic prescribing from the start of the ‘pandemic’.”
No: this paper modelled the risk of inappropriate antibiotic prescriptions during covid. Even if the paper referred to is faulty, it is best to at least report the paper correctly. ‘Normal’ medical treatments essentially shut down in UK, so nothing useful can really be concluded if antibiotic prescribing changed.
“reduction in doxycycline hyclate prescribing compared to expected”
Doxycline is used to treat sexually transmitted infections – it would not be surprising these fell during lockdowns!!
“Physicians in Toledo,…..”
This is a retrospective observational study. Nothing more need be said. These studies cannot prove anything, only suggest future hypotheses.
At St Paul’s hospital in Vancouver, Canada, Russell and Walley learned that Covid-19 is not deadly in itself, but it is sepsis that causes the organ failure leading to death. In this article they say:
This article is a puff publicity article for the hospital with no data at all. It has the scientific status of gossip.
I am concerned that these types of graphs may need controls. This is because the possibility that reduced drug use could have been incidental to reduced healthcare use overall during lockdown. It would be good to see some other drugs besides antibiotics. The Zhong paper could be right.
The corollary to your article is antibiotics are over prescribed in viral infection. The caveat of macrolides non antibiotic properties are noted.
In a review appx 4 years ago, the majority of confirmed community acquired pneumonias were a rhino enterovirus.
Procalcitonin is a marker used to help sort bacterial from viral infection.
A firm diagnosis should lead to a specific treatment.
The elephant in the room is we don’t have specific anti-viral medications for most respiratory virus pathogens we can identify. Flu and Covid are exceptions.
Pouring broad spectrum antibiotics into a vitally infected hospitalized patient leads to iatrogenic nosocomial infections. Puncturing your skin w IV lines, catheters, non bathing, inadequate oral care etc all contribute
Is SARS-CoV-2 a virus? If yes, where does it replicate?
Only in the laboratory eukaryotic cell or also in bacterial cells?
Are the bacteria in the microbiome more numerous than our cells? YES!
And does it seem normal to you that a virus passes through the microbiome layer without bacteria interacting with the virus or producing different substances than usual?
And these bacteria controls we performed and demonstrated
🔷 SARS-CoV-2 replicates first in bacteria
🔷 That orofecal transmission is most important precisely because of the bacterial involvement
🔷 That the bacteria produces toxins
🔷 That antibiotics or a combination of antibiotics can stop both replication, transmission, and toxin production and the clinical picture of patients especially in the early stages of the disease.
🔷 That the intermediate host is bacteria.
🔷 That mutations are numerous in bacteria
CARLO BROGNA
The everyday reality is that very few are ever tested for the origin of their initial presentation of respiratory symptoms. Diagnosis is typically by symptoms and the standard treatment is to ease symptoms with corticosteroids and supplement with an antibiotic to palliate steroidal immunosuppression.
Practitioners very rarely "overprescribe antibiotics for viral infection," they restore breathing with a substance that creates vulnerability to opportunistic bacterial infection. The antibiotic is a secondary, prophylactic treatment.
The primary reason is cost. The expense of testing and multiple provider visits is not justified in the majority of cases, nor is it affordable for the average citizen in fee-for-service locations.
The interference with standard treatment modalities caused immeasurable harm and contributed to many deaths. Denial of care for respiratory distress upon initial presentation was mandated. "Go home untreated and return to die with us" was the rule.
"Dr David Wiseman recently sent us an email asking about antibiotics"
"we didn’t have a list of articles to hand covering the relevant topics [...]"
"[...] Time series statistics on changing prescription patterns in different countries"
"[...] National policy changes affecting antibiotic prescriptions and administration."
The Daily Beagle covered the topic of antibiotic prescriptions, even having a vigourous discussion with Martin Neil and Jessica Rose in the comments section! This included Australian national policy changes to antibiotics, UK, US and German prescribing data.
https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/how-to-make-a-pandemic-worse
"[...] The role of face masks in magnifying harms."
The Daily Beagle also covered this, quite extensively, even showing the interactions between masks and bacteria, the various ratings and more:
https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/a-balanced-discussion-on-masks
"[...] Success stories where antibiotics were given to covid-19 patients, resulting in positive outcomes."
This was covered indirectly in the antibiotics article because it is presumed any COVID-19 patient with secondary bacterial pneumonia would benefit from antibiotics prescriptions.
Of course, this would not apply in cases where no such secondary bacterial pneumonia applies.
Thank you!
Here is another great resource for European data, stratified by country and antibiotic type. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/data/downloadable-datasets
I went to an emergency clinic on Oahu Hawaii in August 2022; my throat was extremely sore and burning; it was awful. I met with a "doctor" and I asked if I could get antibiotics; the response was "we don't do that." I asked "why not" and stated that I had received antibiotics for a strep throat infection a few years back with no problem. I got the same dead doll eyes and the same comment, "we don't do that." In my opinion, there had to have been some type of order not to give out antibiotics. Since that time, a 4-member family I know who all had strep throat as recently as early 2023 were all prescribed antibiotics by a military clinic on Oahu without issues.
Lots of papers now show vitamin D levels > 40ng/mL help prevent severe Covid and near infrared light is helpful for treatment. Neither mentioned here. Too cheap?
"Everybody who dies of COVID actually dies of sepsis and pneumonia. Everybody.” I would change one word in this statement, I would substitute COVID for a chest infection. All the doctors had to do was treat the patient as normal and if they developed a bacterial chest infection then give the antibiotics and good supportive care. The usual care was contorted and twisted by manufactured fear and deliberate induced hysteria to suit whatever power play and politics was on the agenda and people died!
Really, it was sepsis that killed, not covid? I made this comment early on that how it was being described sounded a lot like sepsis.
this article is tough to read Seeing in black and white very suggestive evidence, if not proof, of public health agencies, wanting to harm and kill us. It's tough to digest. It would only be natural to be agitated and have heightened anxiety to being put on a ventilator unnecessarily, and that was exactly the opposite of what you would've needed to recover .
Mssrs Engler, Fenton & Neil - The "experts" knew the consequences of their actions in advance and appeals to novel ignorance do not apply. It is no secret that prescriptions for antibiotics fell dramatically during C19, which correlated with rising excess mortality. This was premeditated iatrocide and a culling, there is no mystery here Mr. Mulder.
Great rundown, thanks for pulling all this together. In Aus it’s being reported that Covid was the third leading cause of death for 2022 but I suspect many of these were deaths from bacterial infections. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/causes-death-australia/latest-release
Blind massive overprescription of antibiotics is a major medical problem. It is wrong to prescribe them in absence of a good reason to suspect a bacterial infection, and a primary viral infection is not one of those indications.
The issue about midazolam is a red herring. If someone is dying of a viral respiratory disease with alveolar leakage, antibiotics will not save them. The real problem with midazolam in UK practice is that it was used to treat patients who could maybe have been saved with ICU treatment, but there were no facilities. In our local teaching hospital, a DNR order was written for all patients over the age of 70 with covid
Most people reading this post are doing so because they already are sceptical/totally disbelieving of mainstream science, public health and politicians, and rightly so. This is why is read it, but thee is no point in completely loosing all critical faculty on the ‘other side’. This article is full of dubious claims and downright errors, mixed in with some fair enough statements.
There are too many to list completely, but a few are:
“...academic paper by Zhong et al that claimed there was no evidence of changes in antibiotic prescribing from the start of the ‘pandemic’.”
No: this paper modelled the risk of inappropriate antibiotic prescriptions during covid. Even if the paper referred to is faulty, it is best to at least report the paper correctly. ‘Normal’ medical treatments essentially shut down in UK, so nothing useful can really be concluded if antibiotic prescribing changed.
“reduction in doxycycline hyclate prescribing compared to expected”
Doxycline is used to treat sexually transmitted infections – it would not be surprising these fell during lockdowns!!
“Physicians in Toledo,…..”
This is a retrospective observational study. Nothing more need be said. These studies cannot prove anything, only suggest future hypotheses.
At St Paul’s hospital in Vancouver, Canada, Russell and Walley learned that Covid-19 is not deadly in itself, but it is sepsis that causes the organ failure leading to death. In this article they say:
This article is a puff publicity article for the hospital with no data at all. It has the scientific status of gossip.
I am concerned that these types of graphs may need controls. This is because the possibility that reduced drug use could have been incidental to reduced healthcare use overall during lockdown. It would be good to see some other drugs besides antibiotics. The Zhong paper could be right.
See also "The epidemiology of influenza," JVirology, Cannell et al. https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-5-29
All of this is an EXTERMINATION. So it makes perfect sense they chose to discard any drugs that might help and ONLY use drugs that kill.